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  • #90 NewCleanGaren

    A lot of the things in this guide are simply factually incorrect, and some parts that aren't are self-contradictory.  

    It says Garen's W gives him armor and magic resist on minion kills; it doesn't, since it's just a flat value and kills have nothing to do with it.  

    The skill chart says to start Q first, but the text right below says to start E.  

    It says the silence on Q has a flat duration that doesn't change with leveling up at least twice, but it does change; the silence duration is 1.5/1.8/2/2.3/2.5 seconds, as the Abilities page says in its copypasta (but contradicts itself in the description below).  This has a very pronounced impact on the calculation of whether it's worth leveling up more before late game.  (The guide says it isn't because the silence doesn't scale, but the silence does scale; so is it actually worth it?)

    It says that E clears slows (when saying that it's an escape tool!), when it's Q that does that.  The only situation in which E helps an escape is when you need to move through a wall of minions that are keeping you from running away; it does nothing to slows.  

    In the rune summary it says that you won't be encountering AP champions bottom lane, when the guide is for top lane.  

    In the Strategy and Tactics page it talks about what support to pair him with (!) as though he were an ADC and we were talking about bottom lane.  

    I mean, I'm just a silver-ranked scrub, and I know all this; these are basic errors and this is the only Garen guide on the site.  What's the deal? 

  • #79 spartacus697

    I personally main as Garen, and while I agree with alot of this guide I don't agree with the starting items. For Garen to be truely viable, he needs to be able to outsustain the enemy champ so that he can whittle them down until he can just 3 shot combo them. I usually start w/ a doran's shield vs most opponents simply because I prefer the enemy to be aggressive in the beggining so that they are the ones who make a mistake. I use flash to jump onto them for my combo so they can't escape. Also its better to stack resistances after you get your brutalizer, your main goal is to be annoying to leave alive unless it goes into LATE game you won't be your teams primary damage dealer, and stacking resistances helps with this. My normal build goes DS>Boots>Brutalizer>Resistances>BC>More resistances>IE>Selling BC for a Last Whisper.

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  • #81 spartacus697

    Also I don't grab W until level 4

  • #84 aragorn42

    i find long sword 2 health pots is a lot better for aggressive play than doran's shield.

     

  • #73 aragorn42

    The Pros and Cons need to be updated (they are really old now) as well as counters because Nidalee and Urgot are also very hard counters to Garen.

  • #77 minybob4

    pretty much any ranged top make ypu lose lane or rely on junglers gank. Also, not only pros and cons but abilities too.

     

     

  • #80 spartacus697

    I normally don't lose vs ranged tops, and there hasn't been a specific champ that counters me per say just ways people play champions

  • #82 drunkkidlb1

    Quote from minybob4 »

    pretty much any ranged top make ypu lose lane or rely on junglers gank. Also, not only pros and cons but abilities too.

     

     

    the only hard counters to garen is teemo and singed..

    darius can counter him but not a hard counter

  • #85 aragorn42

    I usually wreck teemo with garen I am not sure if it is the way I play or that I do not play good people but teemo is an easy lane that i beat at level 3 or 4 for a first kill and 5 or 6 for a 2nd. singed is a very hard counter due to the fact that garen should follow champs with his spin to trade best and singed can just let garen eat his poison as he runs away from garens engage. nidalee is also a definite counter to garen if she is played correctly due to her range and good poke.

  • #86 drunkkidlb1

    Quote from aragorn42 »

    I usually wreck teemo with garen I am not sure if it is the way I play or that I do not play good people but teemo is an easy lane that i beat at level 3 or 4 for a first kill and 5 or 6 for a 2nd. singed is a very hard counter due to the fact that garen should follow champs with his spin to trade best and singed can just let garen eat his poison as he runs away from garens engage. nidalee is also a definite counter to garen if she is played correctly due to her range and good poke.

    prolly dont play good teemos, a good teemo is going to kite a garen all day and make sure he can use his passive that dot is op.

    if he dont rush 2 points into w then the teemo doesn't belong to play teemo. most people dont realize rushing the speed on teemo is what makes him so op early game. singed is a good counter like i said but nothing like teemo.

    now nidalee i do disagree with that, in order for nidalee to have poke she has to land them spears and seeing how garen pushes hard and always in between his minions he counters the shit out of nidalee. now if the nidalee is ap pre 6 her farm is going to be shut down she cant farm to well under tower before 6 after 6 she can clear lanes fast and farm easy under tower.. but the thing is with garen she wont get to use cougar form to clear farm as long as garen is there.

    if you do have any question feel free to ask away :D its what makes us better players

  • #89 aragorn42

    i agree with you on the AP nidalee however when I pick top first people counter pick me with AD nidalee also pushing lane is bad. Pushed lane = ganks and less chances for kills

     

  • #67 DNAngel1500

    If you want to play Garen, you always can, but can you play him on his full potent-ion power, to feel the hero to feel the fight be in control of the game and in charge of the fight you are in and by making your team risking coming with you.

    Good Garen will know how to tank 2 or 3 or even more people in same time, while his team do all the damage and hide behind his back to do more. That's how i play, i tank and let my team do damage, i love to ROFL at my enemy Tanks and make them die by my Dread Knight Sword every time they stand on my way, thx to armor penetration and other runes and items to help me stay on top and slice my enemy armors plates like a butter with a hot knife ";..;" 

    Dread Knight Garen is my Favorite hero, doesn't matter who i'm fighting against... and sometimes i like Head Hunter Yi lol with Viking Tryndamere  to do damage than im tired of tanking all the time

    Last edited by DNAngel1500 on 2/1/2013 3:12:07 PM

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  • #70 demtots

    Might want to look into toning down that ego of yours made it hard for me to understand any points you were trying to make.

  • #71 DNAngel1500

    I just love Garen, even though people say he is week or not good, i don't listen i just play with him no metter what and i like the challenge i get every game i play with him ";..;"

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  • #72 aragorn42

    Garen is a weak champ honestly. The thing is a lot of people do not know how to shut him down. I also find he can trade really well with most top laners levels 1-6 and later on if he gets a kill or 2, but if he is not winning his lane by level 9 he is done almost useless for the rest of the game. I still love playing with him though. It is really easy to get fed as him since he can trade well and most people I play against do not know how to shut him down. I build him pretty close to this guide trading sunfire cape for gaurdian angel and last whisperer for mercurial scimitar. I do not see how a lot of top laners counter him as I can typically stop most tops from farming because i trade better and position them. Also building garen straight tank is bad. If he is straight tank he can be ignored because of his lack of cc (a 1 person silence can only do so much) he needs to be built with some damage but at the same time getting tanky.

    Last edited by aragorn42 on 2/4/2013 7:27:47 PM
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