This Xin Zhao build guide is extremely informative. You'll find Xin Zhao has an extremely strong early game as he has very high damage coupled with good crowd control. He falls off a bit mid game due to not being very tanky unless you land a good ultimate. The recent buffs to Xin have really helped him and made him playable in competitive play.
Machete + 5 potions is the best opening with Xin Zhao, you need it on almost every jungler now to get through the early levels.
Core Item Build
Madred's Razors
Wriggle's Lantern
Ninja Tabi
Locket of the Iron Solari
The core items for Xin Zhao aim to give him enough DPS to clear jungle while making him tankier at the same time and help your team.
Late Game Core Items
Runic Bulwark
Warmog's Armor
Next Item Choices based on Game:
If fed:
The Black Cleaver
Last Whisper
If you want to get tanky:
Randuin's Omen
Thornmail
You want to build up items that will make you tanky so you can tank and disrupt, or even tunnel their carries. Theese items will give you a good mix of hp, armor and magic resistance and with zephyr + furor you will be able to stick to your target. Randuins and Runic Bulwark both help your team a lot.
Don't forget, if you get fed enough, the Bloodthirster is a very viable item on Xin. it gives you 100 damage, plus more lifesteal, this provides the late game damage this build is lacking; it is also a very good alternative to Last Whisper, as it does 60 more damage and gives sustain. Last Whisper is an impractical item, as the ADCs and APCs you will be diving wont have enough armor to require it. If you are focusing the tanks, then you are playing Xin wrong. He is an assassin/fighter, not a tank killer, tailor his build to suit his intended targets.
Also Locket of the Iron Solari is an OK item, i would rank GA over it though, and Ninja tabi is fine, but your major problem is getting CCed before your target is dead, you are already stacking armor, Merc. Treads seem a more viable pick for the majority of group comps. (unless you grab Zephyr, which is fun sometimes)
This is not a top guide... Jungle Xin needs to be tanky. Tabi and locket give him crazy early game strength, allowing him to dive turrets easily in ganks. Also, the guide says to get Black Cleaver OR Last Whisper (even though gettting both is fine) and if you aren't building Armor Pen on Xin,
A stupid question. In general, after I got the boot and the wriggle, I try to rush sunfire cape more than the locket. If I understand the locket is really cheap, easy to build and has some very good stat for xin (CDR? Health? Armor? Utility? OHMYGOD LET ME LOVE YOU), I try to got in general the advantage I had with xin by rushing this nice giant belt. The damage output of Xin si so high than I think the synergy with sunfire cap is quite adapted. Tankyness + More DPS action, I think it is a good item.
So my question is: Do you think I do the good choice at rushing it if I am in advance or with good gold base? Do you see it more as a late item? (Well, in general, we try to rush it early with some tank like shen so...)
I ask that since I don't really the item in your build. Also, even if we all know that this item is really expensive, frozen mallet should be a good item for xin no? HP, damage and a very nice passive... Maybe it is better for laner xin, who can get more gold and will have more use for this item than a jungler xin.
Well looking at the stats on both the items, Sunfire Cape is going to offer more durability and a decent damage burn, while Locket of the Iron Solari offers mixed stats of everything Xin needs. In most cases Locket is going to be an overall better pick but for split-pushing or high burst AD champions Sunfire Cape might be a better rushed item. Keep in mind every guide is generally an outline of what you're going to want to have by late game.
I've built BOTRK before but only when most of the enemy team is stacking health, other than that I think to get the most out of Xin you should always build him as a tank with utility.
Normally no, it will allow you to gank better and move around the map. The move speed is especially crucial to keep up with the enemy and land the 3rd hit of Three Talon Strike when you do not have Red Buff. The only time I see myself getting a Wriggles before Boots is if my team is aiming for a relatively early Dragon.
So where is the damage in this build? I really feel like this does not utilize xin's strengths at all. Is the guide just assuming you will build Tri or BT at some point in between items? Runic Bulwark is strong for sure, but obviously no damage and pricey to boot.
You don't really need dmg as Xin, you're here to jump on the carries, pop ultimate and let your carries do the job. If you're fed early you can get a Brutalizer ( arpen + cdr is really cool on him), but imo that's the only source of dmg you need. Aegis (bulwark if you face several/fed AP's) + Sunfire and/or Randuins is definitely the way to go.
Exactly what frezol said. As long as you are able to utilize your ultimate well and make use of the resistances you gain to be extremely annoying for the enemy divers or carries, you are doing your job. You do not need to kill them with 2-3 seconds, you can let your team do all the damage and crowd control them for years while chipping away at their HP pool.
Not sure about Spirit Visage, but the thing gives you 15% CDR (that's nice), +200 health (yay tankiness), +50 magic resist (again, yay), and 20% increase in healing and health regen. So for his W at level 5, instead of healing for 50 you heal for 60. Meh. That's okay, but not all that great. The other stats are pretty good though.
Zephyr has tenacity, 2x more movement speed bonuses than PD, CDR, same amount of attack speed, and +20 damage. Sure you don't get critical chance, but eh. I would rather have tenacity than critical chance and ignore units.
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Posted 4/8/2013 9:17:51 PMDon't forget, if you get fed enough, the Bloodthirster is a very viable item on Xin. it gives you 100 damage, plus more lifesteal, this provides the late game damage this build is lacking; it is also a very good alternative to Last Whisper, as it does 60 more damage and gives sustain. Last Whisper is an impractical item, as the ADCs and APCs you will be diving wont have enough armor to require it. If you are focusing the tanks, then you are playing Xin wrong. He is an assassin/fighter, not a tank killer, tailor his build to suit his intended targets.
Also Locket of the Iron Solari is an OK item, i would rank GA over it though, and Ninja tabi is fine, but your major problem is getting CCed before your target is dead, you are already stacking armor, Merc. Treads seem a more viable pick for the majority of group comps. (unless you grab Zephyr, which is fun sometimes)
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Posted 4/24/2013 12:53:34 AMThis is not a top guide... Jungle Xin needs to be tanky. Tabi and locket give him crazy early game strength, allowing him to dive turrets easily in ganks. Also, the guide says to get Black Cleaver OR Last Whisper (even though gettting both is fine) and if you aren't building Armor Pen on Xin,
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Posted 3/30/2013 4:36:47 AMA stupid question. In general, after I got the boot and the wriggle, I try to rush sunfire cape more than the locket. If I understand the locket is really cheap, easy to build and has some very good stat for xin (CDR? Health? Armor? Utility? OHMYGOD LET ME LOVE YOU), I try to got in general the advantage I had with xin by rushing this nice giant belt. The damage output of Xin si so high than I think the synergy with sunfire cap is quite adapted. Tankyness + More DPS action, I think it is a good item.
So my question is: Do you think I do the good choice at rushing it if I am in advance or with good gold base? Do you see it more as a late item? (Well, in general, we try to rush it early with some tank like shen so...)
I ask that since I don't really the item in your build. Also, even if we all know that this item is really expensive, frozen mallet should be a good item for xin no? HP, damage and a very nice passive... Maybe it is better for laner xin, who can get more gold and will have more use for this item than a jungler xin.
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Posted 3/30/2013 6:20:48 AMWell looking at the stats on both the items, Sunfire Cape is going to offer more durability and a decent damage burn, while Locket of the Iron Solari offers mixed stats of everything Xin needs. In most cases Locket is going to be an overall better pick but for split-pushing or high burst AD champions Sunfire Cape might be a better rushed item. Keep in mind every guide is generally an outline of what you're going to want to have by late game.
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Posted 3/5/2013 5:43:03 PMWould building Blade of the Ruined King or Ghostblade be a option?
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Posted 3/18/2013 10:24:48 PMI've built BOTRK before but only when most of the enemy team is stacking health, other than that I think to get the most out of Xin you should always build him as a tank with utility.
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Posted 2/11/2013 6:54:12 AMDo u build Wriggle's before Boots of Speed?
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Posted 2/11/2013 4:29:57 PMNormally no, it will allow you to gank better and move around the map. The move speed is especially crucial to keep up with the enemy and land the 3rd hit of Three Talon Strike when you do not have Red Buff. The only time I see myself getting a Wriggles before Boots is if my team is aiming for a relatively early Dragon.
Edit: fixed that =S
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Posted 2/12/2013 2:28:24 PMI take that as you misread his question and your answer would be "normally NO..."?
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Posted 12/9/2012 5:48:45 PMSo where is the damage in this build? I really feel like this does not utilize xin's strengths at all. Is the guide just assuming you will build Tri or BT at some point in between items? Runic Bulwark is strong for sure, but obviously no damage and pricey to boot.
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Posted 1/14/2013 7:37:42 AMYou don't really need dmg as Xin, you're here to jump on the carries, pop ultimate and let your carries do the job. If you're fed early you can get a Brutalizer ( arpen + cdr is really cool on him), but imo that's the only source of dmg you need.
Aegis (bulwark if you face several/fed AP's) + Sunfire and/or Randuins is definitely the way to go.
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Posted 2/6/2013 8:06:01 PMExactly what frezol said. As long as you are able to utilize your ultimate well and make use of the resistances you gain to be extremely annoying for the enemy divers or carries, you are doing your job. You do not need to kill them with 2-3 seconds, you can let your team do all the damage and crowd control them for years while chipping away at their HP pool.
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Posted 12/5/2012 7:53:03 PMHow much does Spirit Visage really help? and why not trinity or frozen mallet? and why zephyr vs PD?
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Posted 1/9/2013 9:26:18 AMNot sure about Spirit Visage, but the thing gives you 15% CDR (that's nice), +200 health (yay tankiness), +50 magic resist (again, yay), and 20% increase in healing and health regen. So for his W at level 5, instead of healing for 50 you heal for 60. Meh. That's okay, but not all that great. The other stats are pretty good though.
Zephyr has tenacity, 2x more movement speed bonuses than PD, CDR, same amount of attack speed, and +20 damage. Sure you don't get critical chance, but eh. I would rather have tenacity than critical chance and ignore units.
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Posted 2/6/2013 3:33:36 PMDoes Spirit give more regen to life steal as well as warmog's regen making it a better survivability item?